# User talk:BananaGuy

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Would you mind giving a page number for where it says the Thousand Sons approximate strength? I've quickly gone over the Thousand Sons codex again and can't find it in there. -- Triacom (talk) 08:52, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

- It's on page 19, at the very top, right below 'Legion Organization'. --BananaGuy (talk) 14:08, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
- "Each cult has hundreds of Sorcerers who guide thousands of Rubricae warriors to war..." That's the quote we're going off of? I don't see a given number on the splash page, so let's go over some math. There's nine cults, each with 'hundreds' of psykers, so they must number somewhere between 100 and 999, since otherwise it would say they can number in the thousands. This makes the amount of Sorceres in the Legion 900 to 8991, but that higher number seems inaccurate since there were only ~8500 survivors (including Sorcerers strong enough to survive the Rubricae) from the burning of Prospero (if we use the Forgeworld retcon, before this there were only 1246), and that's if we go with the most generous assumption. This means that there are fewer than 9000 Rubricae (and Scarab Occult Terminators) and possibly fewer than 8000, certainly fewer than that once we account for battlefield losses and the fact that the Thousand Sons need to be there to reclaim the remains of their Rubricae and sometimes need to be on the planet to do the ritual to put them back together again. Given that the implication is that the Sorcerers are highly outnumbered by the Rubricae it seems very unlikely for them to be anywhere near the higher estimate, especially since the only thing it seems the Thousand Sons actively recruit are more Sorcerers. In short, their numbers are a lot lower than what is displayed on their page, especially when you account for losses over 10k years. -- Triacom (talk) 23:03, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
- I do agree, going with the higher estimates would be silly all things considered. Regardless, the estimate I went with was 200 Sorcerers and the 2000 for the rest simply because it fulfilled the requirement for it to count as plural, which leaves us at an ideal (if wishful) minimum of 19,800 in total. On another relevant note, during the Codex preview on GW's Twitch channel the chief Lore Writer for the Codex mentioned that the methods by which more Rubricae are made were intentionally left unspecified for the players to come up with their own and further mentioned (if I am recalling correctly) other versions of the Rubric might exist and so that means making more Rubrics should be possible, which makes the potential of a large number Rubricae is a lot less ludicrous. --BananaGuy (talk) 08:27, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
- Doesn't matter if they say it in an interview, there's no mention of it in the lore at all and as far as the setting is concerned, the Rubric only happened once when there was less than nine thousand Sons left (there's also only one guy who knows how to do it and he isn't interested in doing it again). Also even in the book the lore doesn't make any mention of any non-Thousand Sons Legionnaire as being a Rubricae. As far as numbers go, the writing implies that the Rubricae outnumbered the sorcerers 10/1, which doesn't make sense given the 'hundreds' that are described to be in each cult, even if we assume it's a more generous 4/1 (being a higher ratio than anything in the codex implies, since the highest there is 5/1) a high estimate off of that would put their numbers around ~10,000 at most. Definitely not the 19k-65k that's currently on their page. -- Triacom (talk) 08:50, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

- I do agree, going with the higher estimates would be silly all things considered. Regardless, the estimate I went with was 200 Sorcerers and the 2000 for the rest simply because it fulfilled the requirement for it to count as plural, which leaves us at an ideal (if wishful) minimum of 19,800 in total. On another relevant note, during the Codex preview on GW's Twitch channel the chief Lore Writer for the Codex mentioned that the methods by which more Rubricae are made were intentionally left unspecified for the players to come up with their own and further mentioned (if I am recalling correctly) other versions of the Rubric might exist and so that means making more Rubrics should be possible, which makes the potential of a large number Rubricae is a lot less ludicrous. --BananaGuy (talk) 08:27, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

- "Each cult has hundreds of Sorcerers who guide thousands of Rubricae warriors to war..." That's the quote we're going off of? I don't see a given number on the splash page, so let's go over some math. There's nine cults, each with 'hundreds' of psykers, so they must number somewhere between 100 and 999, since otherwise it would say they can number in the thousands. This makes the amount of Sorceres in the Legion 900 to 8991, but that higher number seems inaccurate since there were only ~8500 survivors (including Sorcerers strong enough to survive the Rubricae) from the burning of Prospero (if we use the Forgeworld retcon, before this there were only 1246), and that's if we go with the most generous assumption. This means that there are fewer than 9000 Rubricae (and Scarab Occult Terminators) and possibly fewer than 8000, certainly fewer than that once we account for battlefield losses and the fact that the Thousand Sons need to be there to reclaim the remains of their Rubricae and sometimes need to be on the planet to do the ritual to put them back together again. Given that the implication is that the Sorcerers are highly outnumbered by the Rubricae it seems very unlikely for them to be anywhere near the higher estimate, especially since the only thing it seems the Thousand Sons actively recruit are more Sorcerers. In short, their numbers are a lot lower than what is displayed on their page, especially when you account for losses over 10k years. -- Triacom (talk) 23:03, 19 November 2018 (UTC)