User talk:Auroch/xB5Us8OSroc8r5eD86R0

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Josef Bugman and Triacom's PTSD

continued from User_talk:Auroch&oldid=662122

The old page says one thing, you say something else, that's two sides right there. -- Triacom (talk) 06:08, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

As I've said a few times now, no, that is not a side. A side produces visible debate. The page does not have visible debate. This correction is like "Let's get that one." "Wait, I think the other one might be a better deal.", which is also not an argument. --Auroch (talk) 06:14, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

I'm going to reiterate that if you want to resolve this, make a fix forward change. Add the same information from the edit you consider an argument, in a different style which you don't consider an argument. I like the current text but if you change it to be less amusing but have all the same new information I will not fight you over that. I take a hard-line stance against letting people impose rules which have lost the thread of why the rule existed, and I care about that more than I do about making this page better. But your stated motivation is to make the page better, so I am providing you an out to achieve that goal without continuing this fight. --Auroch (talk) 06:25, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

If you want to continue this argument continue it on the cleaned-up page. It is well-established that a user may blank their talk page whenever. Nothing you or I said in the old version is gone; you are free to link to the archived revision. --Auroch (talk) 06:37, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

That you are repeatedly reverting my edits to my talk page is just making you look childish. So if you want to ensure mods take my side, by all means, continue. It would be a slightly hollow victory but I'll take it. --Auroch (talk) 06:37, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

I'm keeping them where I can, what you're doing, trying to hide the argument, is childish. -- Triacom (talk) 06:39, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

By the way, deleting repeatedly trying to delete an opposing side's argument is not a good idea, but if you want, I'm willing to move this whole thing to the Josef Bugman discussion page. -- Triacom (talk) 06:40, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

I don't believe I could delete your argument as I don't believe you've made one yet. I kept the last iteration when I deleted the rest, in which you made the same points as you'd said a dozen times before, so nothing important from your side is missing. A fair amount from my side is, but that's my call to make. It's not gone and isn't meant to be; it's just moved off the page so that the debate, such as it is, can be conducted in an orderly way. If you at some point demonstrate a bare minimum of good faith and actually continue the debate, you are free to reference anything you said in the previous revisions, as am I. --Auroch (talk) 06:49, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

I repeat that if you want me to engage with anything you say, you will have to do it on the cleaned-up page. Everything you add to the messy version will be reverted unread (as will anything anyone else adds to it). I've already added the link at the top of the page to make it more obvious that it's there to be viewed; it's insulting to reader's intelligence but you wouldn't shut up about it so that's the concession you get. You will not get any more. Show some goddamn maturity. --Auroch (talk) 00:50, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Provenance of the Bugman info

Let's try this again, hopefully without Triacom butting in (Triacom, please don't get into this, I'd like Auroch to respond on his own.) I know dealing with Triacom can be highly exasperating, which is why I'm asking you:

Can you point to a specific book, post, or other official source for Josef Bugman being either alive, or Bugman's beer being sold in AoS? I'm offering to help if you actually do. Saarlacfunkel (talk) 07:05, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Of course not, I wasn't the one who added it in the first place. --Auroch (talk) 07:16, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Ask Bear Eater if you want a source. --Auroch (talk) 18:30, 6 June 2020 (UTC)